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He talks about where dreams started, walking us all the way back to antiquity and how they show up in old texts and cultures, and the importance of dreams and dream interpretation in older human societies. What I found inside that Sidarta’s book is this incredibly comprehensive exploration of what dreams are and what our relationship to dreams is, as human beings. He received a PhD in Animal Behavior from The Rockefeller University, and he's the author of The Oracle of Night: History and Science of Dreams.

The author of the book and today's guest is Sidarta Ribeiro, a founder of the Brain Institute at the Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte in Brazil, where he's also a professor of neuroscience. Which is why when I received this book, The Oracle of Night, I immediately picked it up. So as you can tell, I've always been really interested in dreams. If you want to take a listen, it's Stories from a Pandemic: Part II, Episode 4, and the title of the episode is “Dreams and Nightmares”. It was really one of my favorite episodes of The Nocturnists that we ever made, and part of the reason why is it allowed us to dive into the subconscious of health care workers and explore what the pandemic was doing to us in a different way. We had somebody who dreamt that they were in a car accident, and then time slowed down and they watched the entire accident unfold in slow motion, with the pieces of glass flying through the air. And all the people on the beach were holding strings that disappeared into the horizon, which she thought were kite strings but turned out to be IV poles. We had a story about a woman who found herself on a beach searching for her brother. We had somebody send in a dream about the floor being covered in ants, and trying to vacuum up the ants, and they just kept coming and kept coming. So we decided to ask healthcare workers to send in their COVID dreams. At the height of the pandemic, we at The Nocturnists were struggling to talk about COVID in a way that felt fresh. You're listening to The Nocturnists: Conversations. Thank you for consulting the audio before quoting in print.

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Our transcripts are produced using both speech recognition software and human copy editors, and may not be 100% accurate. We encourage you to listen to the episode if at all possible. The audio contains emotion, emphasis, and soundscapes that are not easily transcribed. Note: The Nocturnists is created primarily as a listening experience. Emily in Conversation with Sidarta Ribeiro